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F2B: Gyroscopic force calculation

By Supercool

Well Hells Bells, even I am shocked. My last article on the “Heart of Gold” ezy-build precision F2B stunter covered mods necessary to control gyroscopic precession. In my usual “cut and paste” style of modelling, I made no attempt to calculate the gyro force. Like I don’t know how to. So I just experimented with the “Supercool Slash” and fixed the problem.

If only I had turned the page. Page 50  of Frank Zaics “1951-52 Model Aeronautic Year Book” has the gyro formula: even a worked example! Just in case the formula is wrong, lets give credit to the original presenter of this formula, D. J. Cameron, from the 1938  Zaic year book.

Lets not waste time. Here is the formula. Skip the maths if you want. But be prepared for a shock!

With    W = mass of the prop in pounds (lbs)

N = RPM of prop

            V = speed of flight in MPH

             r = radius of prop in feet

            X = distance of prop from the C/G in feet

            R = radius of turn in feet (say, square corner)

Then the gyro force F (in pounds) is given by:

            F = .00043 x W x N x V x r x r / ( X x R )

            where x means multiply.

This is all a bit messy, still in the old (but gold) Imperial units: we might need some conversion factors. Here they are:

            1 pound (lb) = 0.45359 kilograms      

            1 MPH         = 0.44704 metres per second

            1 foot           = 0.3048 metres

Now lets try a calculation for my glorious “Heart of Gold” precision F2B flying wing.

            W = 22 grams mass for a Supercool 11X8.5. We gotta make this into pounds.

So        W = 22  / 1000 x 0.4539        

            N = 8000         RPM for my mighty Enya 45 6002

            V = 60             MPH

            r = 11 / 12 / 2   prop radius in feet

            X = 6.5 / 12     for Heart of Gold prop-to-C/G distance in feet

            R =                  5 feet for F2B square turn rules

Then

    F = .00043 x (22 / (1000  x .4539)) x 8000 x 60 x (11 / (12 x 2)) ^ 2 /( 6.2 / 12 x 5 )

          =  0.776 lbs

          = 12.4 ozs

This means that when you give full-up to do a square turn, there is effectively a lump of lead on the nose weighing 12.4 ozs trying to yaw the model out, with the same amount trying to yaw it in on down-elevator. Yikes! The “Heart of Gold” weighs 43 ozs and here we have a force corresponding to 29% of the weight of the model trying to yaw it about in the square turns! Can’t be true!

Well, that’s OK, it isn’t true. The gyro force is there alright, but it is to some degree counterbalanced by the “P” effect (thrustline offset during turns) mentioned in my previous article on curing gyro effect (the self-called Supercool Slash).

Nevertheless, it would appear that high RPM and heavy props could be a problem. On my Eather “Firecracker”, the model requires heavy use of elevator when using massive props, like the injection moulded APC and Bolly props. These latter props are twice the weight of my Supercool “petal” style F2B props.

Perhaps this is why I see so many experts using wooden props or lightweight Eather carbon props. One day they will wake up and use the Supercool F2B props!

So for all you thinkers and tinkeres out there, here are some sleepless nights for you!

feedback:

Hi Stuart,
I've just finished reading your article on Gyroscopic force calculations and have a few questions.

First... does the formula given relate to a prop or to a solid disc like a flywheel? From the little I understand the gyroscopic force is dependent on the distance from the centre of rotation of the mean angular momentum (for want of a better way to say it). In other words, for a prop wouldn't it be the CofG of one blade x the radius of that CofG from the crankshaft? I'd guess a typical blade has it's CofG at maybe 40% of the blade length. Maybe "center of mass" is a better way to say it than CofG.

Second...building on the above question, a flywheel has a centre of mass that's distributed evenly around the entire flywheel. A 2 bladed prop though has 2 distinct centres of mass, one for each blade. It seems to me that precession would vary from zero to maximum in a hard turn depending on blade position, zero when the blades are vertical to a maximum when the blades are horizontal. This would cycle precession twice per rev and I'd assume give a very high frequency vibration. I've read on SSW that a 3 bladed prop distributes each blade's centre of mass evenly no matter what position the blades are in and this gives a smooth precession similar to a flywheel. This of course would mean that a 3 bladed prop would have a non-cyclic but higher precession force than a 2 bladed prop.

Third...is that .00043 coefficient intended to make the formula apply to a 2 bladed prop as compared to a flywheel and cover my second question?

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